Hidden Places

for chiefronpaul - Tue, 06/03/2008 - 23:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrYndBurq8
10 Min.

for coopkabob - Wed, 06/11/2008 - 23:21
i don't know but you'd think with all the technology they had for supposedly going to the moon they would have a better camera and take better pictures. i find it odd that bush wanted funding for missions to go back to the moon, why would we want to do that if they said there was nothing there to see. maybe we never went to begin with?. i mean what would another mission to the moon accomplish if we did all we needed to do there already. unless the first missions were BS.

for skeptic - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 18:31
e gold, you had a good question and got me thinking. So I just had to go and look up something pertaining to the analysis.

Didn't spend a lot of time digging into it, but it looks to me like all the analyses that I read about seem to be based already on the PRESUMPTION that the rocks came from the moon.

My search turned up an interesting little gem.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071219-moon-collision.html

Some things that leap off the screen at me:

Right off the bat there is this: "The moon was formed from fragments of Earth.."

Then this: "But the new study of moon rocks.....found that Earth and the rocks were too similar...."

And finally this: "The most likely explanation is that the moon was formed primarily of Earthly material..."

I wonder what this article, or the analysis, would've looked like if it had NOT been taken as a given already that the rocks came from the moon?

Didn't really know what I'd find exploring your question, e gold, but now I'm so glad you asked....

for see-thru (not verified) - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 18:36 check out http://www.sitchin.com/

i do believe he wrote that we got hit by another object (planet?) and part of earth broke off. ???

it is good reading!!

for skeptic - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 18:45 Thanks. And so does the National Geographic article.

But the question of whether we really landed on the moon, begs the question did the rocks come from the moon.

for see-thru (not verified) - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 18:40 Leave It The Way The Sumerians Had It

Says Author Zecharia Sitchin

Our solar system has only eight “classical” planets - so has decided the astronomer’s union, meeting in Prague. Pluto - still out there - must be laughing.

It is ironic - or, perhaps, symbolic - that the decision to deprive Pluto of its status as our sun’s ninth planet coincides with the 30th anniversary of the publication of my seminal work The Twelfth Planet in Autumn l976. In it I suggested that the Sumerian Epic of Creation is not an allegorical myth but a sophisticated cosmogony scientifically describing how our solar system came to be; and it most definitely included Pluto.

Inscribed on seven clay tablets, the text described how the inner and outer planets appeared; how an invading celestial body (“Nibiru”) collided with and broke up the planet ‘Tiamat’, creating “a new heaven;” and how Nibiru, captured in a great elliptical orbit, became the twelfth member of the Sun’s Family - Sun, Moon, and ten planets including Earth, Nibiru and Pluto. These ‘celestial gods’ were matched by a pantheon of twelve deities on Earth.

The reports from Prague at first suggested that astronomers were bothered by Pluto’s small size, now that a large icy body has been found farther out. But the final vote focused on what has troubled astronomers almost from Pluto’s discovery in 1930. Its unusual inclined orbit that weaves in and out of Neptune’s path.

This odd orbit has led some astronomers to speculate that Pluto began its life as a satellite, perhaps of Neptune. But what forceful event could have caused it to shift position and adopt a strange orbit? No one knew. But in The 12th Planet I wrote that the Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia knew: Pluto (“GAGA” in the Epic of Creation) was indeed a moon of Saturn, pried off and sent into independent orbit by the invading Nibiru to play an important role in those celestial encounters.

In fact, the Sumerians were also aware that Gaga/Pluto ended up in the odd orbit next to Neptune. In the Sumerian pantheon, the planet we call Neptune was the celestial counterpart of the Aquarius god Enki. His ‘chancellor’ or ‘visier’ was nicknamed Ushmu, meaning “He ‘of two faces” - and so was he depicted, with one face looking at Enki and a second face looking away from him (Fig. 1) - exactly the way Pluto looks at Neptune.

The Epic of Creation and other relevant Sumerian texts are supported by other pictorial depictions, such as the cylinder seal VA-243 in the Berlin Near Eastern Museum. (Fig.2). It shows the sun in the center (!), surrounded by eleven orbiting bodies that include the Moon, Pluto and the yet to be recognized “Planet X” -- Nibiru.

Sumerian knowledge of the origin and makeup of our solar system included a host of other aspects that modern science has been rediscovering in recent times. Here, suffice it to say: The Sumerians, counted Pluto as a member in good standing of our Sun’s Family; let it stay so.

ZECHARIA SITCHIN

Z. Sitchin 2006

The 12th Planet is published by Avon Rooks (paperback) and Bear & Co. (hardcover)

for Devon_Saunders - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 19:59 Nice to see that you are rooting around ancient Sumerian myths, see-thru!

There are some pretty cool things that come out of thier older religions and writings. One would almost suppose that they learned them from a more advanced civilization before thier time....

Oop, sorry... propping up a personal theory..lol

Live life to its fullest... with open arms, an open heart and most importantly, an open mind...

for Prof de la Paz - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 14:32
"It is uncannily convincing." Perhaps because it's real.

I wouldn't put such shenanigans past our Fe'ral government, IF they thought they could get away with it and IF they thought it would do them any good, but the logic breaks down. To pull off a hoax of this proportion either requires a mass public stupidity (which supports the Fe'ral Reserve or Social Security) or the assured silence of legions of co-conspirators.

Have you people never dealt with the Post Office, the IRS, or your local DMV? And yet you believe that NASA could achieve such a monumental fraud? Please, Occam's Razor is a sound philosophical principle that rules out nothing but suggests strongly that solutions that raise more questions than they answer are generally wrong.

I'll take Cmdr Armstrong and Dr Aldrin at their word.

for HubrisAmericanus - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 18:14 I often hear so called conspiracy theories succinctly debunked with such simple statements as 'it would take so many people remaining silent, it simply isn't plausible.' Oh really? Well there ARE people who try to get the truth out about a lot of things that fall under the blanket of the 'conspiracy' realm and guess what? They are all drowned out in a cacophony of phony news stories and thousands upon thousands of press releases and articles and books that are released at a frightening rate. Imagine if you or I had stumbled upon the truth, unequivocally, of some massive government cover up. We had undeniable evidence and multiple credible eyewitnesses. Ok, now what do we do? Call the mainstream media? Not listening. Make a video on youtube? So, random sheeple can bombard your page with comments of 'Fake!'? Lets even pretend we are in the political or corporate infrastructure and have some measure of influence or power. Are you going to speak when you know attempting to be truthful will be marginalized by a cadre of elites with vastly superior media and political power than you? Will you risk your life and perhaps the lives of those you love only to be mocked and derided as a kook IF you are given any attention at all? Of course not. For every expert that comes forward claiming you are right, the elusive 'they' can bring out 5 who will say the exact opposite, and which experts do you think are going to get the most media face time?

When they control the presses, the dialogue, the economy, and the government, what are you going to do? You will talk to the few people who are willing to listen and hope to awaken as many as you can. One by one. And that is what this movement is doing. Conventional methods don't work any more because freedom is an illusion. Welcome the new world

for Prof de la Paz - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 18:19 See what I mean?

Positing preposterously grand and astonishingly pointless conspiracies tend to raise more questions than they answer. Doesn't mean they're not true, just means they're too much work to pursue. Occam's Razor is also a useful tool for the fundamentally lazy.

for see-thru (not verified) - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 19:09 hey dude. i finally had to watch the video -- my curiosity was sooooo peaked!! :)

i think there are 'two different space explorations' going on.

i think there is the top, top, top secret one and then the nasa one -- which isn't entirely public.

i completely believe ramtha when he says *they* have bases on the moon. i think *they* get the technology from *their* friendly ET friends (they ain't friendly to the average joe) -- see those two documents i uploaded. i haven't finished them because some of their experiments are so brutal. i am limited in my ability to remote view -- just in terms of my skill level but i'm also limited in terms of my emotional body. i can remote view where missing objects are but i can't remote view missing children for example. so because i'm pissed off at *them*, i'm hopeless at remote view projects.

now -- nasa-- i think -- they only share what they are allowed to share. the space technology they use is crap. whether or not any of that is true -- i have absolutely no idea. here's something to throw at you.

remember that lady astronaut who went 'nuts' and the whole crazy love triangle?? when that came out -- the first thing that flashed in my mind was --- she was going to spill the beans on something and they took her out.
but this will go down the rabbit hole of mind control which freaks the sh#t out of me. i know that is true too because of some stuff ram has shared but it is just way to trippy to go into. i'd have to start drinking!! lol!

for krmaya - Wed, 06/11/2008 - 02:20 Cui bono? Good question. At the time of the moon landing funding for NASA was dropping. This was a pump for the populace to okey dokey funding

for Khomar - Wed, 06/11/2008 - 16:38 I guess my point is to be wary of the source. While there is certainly truth in there (the best lies have elements of truth in them), it was specifically designed to mislead and therefore contains factual errors. We cannot be sure which portions of that video clip are trustworthy without confirming them from an external source.

for chiefronpaul - Wed, 06/11/2008 - 17:08 I could not agree more. The "fact" that NASA made it to the moon before the Soviet Union was great for American pride, gave the United States the upper hand after years of Russian victory in the space race. That is the point I was trying to make.

I will see you on the other side.

for see-thru (not verified) - Wed, 06/11/2008 - 13:15 kay.. i finally watched it!! wow. talk about a lot of 'spin'!! lol!

i've noticed that a lot of nazi soldiers were tried for their crimes.

however, a lot of nazi scientists found new employment!! i mean after all... eugenics research, anti-gravity research... can't get minds like that ...just anywhere!!

sure tells us a lot about our values.

for HubrisAmericanus - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 19:33
Who would benefit from lying and faking the moon landing? Well for one, it gives the illusion to the American people that the United States government is capable of amazing feats of scientific achievement that supercede those of all other nations in the world. A sense of awe and loyalty to our government, that is capable of sending men to the moon and back. To unite Americans AGAINST our supposed foes in the Soviet Union, a country we were in a conflict with. This conflict was used as an excuse to deprive Americans of their sense of the Constitution and their personal responsibility to restrain the government at all times, especially in those of 'war'.

Surely a government that could achieve such a feat, saying to all the world that America is the greatest country in the world, one as great as that is worth allowing to have some of our personal freedoms in the fight against communism. If they can win the space race, maybe they can bring to Democracy to those poor souls abroad.

It's a PR stunt used to help build support for the foreign policy that has evolved into nightmare we have today.

for Devon_Saunders - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 19:17
I've not studied this topic enough to have an informed opinion on it one way or the other. For instance, they are saying that NASA forged some evidence... but yet the people that put out that video had a generation to forge it.

However, that the American people could stomach a massive fraud is readily apparent.. you gave a good example yourself.. the IRS.

Also, the Government is entirely capable, if it needs to, of keeping legions of people quiet. And I don't mean suiciding them, or anything else. Generally, the thought of going to Levenworth for the rest of your natural life is a great deterrent.

America really REALLY needed to be the first on the moon... look up the politics at the time. So motive is there.. ;)

Personally, I'll take the time to poke around on the subject a little more when the mood strikes.

Live life to its fullest... with open arms, an open heart and most importantly, an open mind...

for Hobbit - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 01:15 I remember a movie that was about the "so-called" hoax of us going to the moon. I forget what the name was, I was still a young kid when this movie came out. I have never given it much thought other than why we have not been there since. Perhaps Apollo 13 was their attempt to make good on that claim, but instead they were lucky to have made is back alive.

Now I have a even bigger suspicion---"International Space Station". What if the elitists reach a point where they feel they can remain safe in space while they NUKE the Whole earth into Submission....

for Hobbit - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:20
Now, the word "Naza / Nazi" ...

Now, the word "Naza / Nazi" ...

Now, NAZI to NASA:

Time magazine honors former Nazi Dr. Werner Von Braun.

for Khomar - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 15:02 You are talking about words from different languages and different roots. The Nazarene and Nazarite words are from the Greek and originally translated from names in Hebrew. The term of Nazi came into usage in Germany from a Germanic language. It is likely that the roots of the term Nazi could have special significance in the Germanic languages of which we are not aware.

If there is a connection, I would not suspect the earlier (Hebrew/Greek) of any evil intent as it has been established since the Old Testament as a Hebrew town and religious devotion. Rather it could be a modern abuse of the word to distort and undermine the Biblical roots. It is not like such things have not been done in the past. Christianity and the Bible are often distorted and misused to try to subvert the message of the Gospel. The crusades were an abuse of power and the name of religion to conduct atrocities. It had nothing to do with the Christian faith. Christianity teaches that judgment belongs to God alone, and that we as Christians are to forgive and love our enemies. In the same way, a Nazarite was never supposed to touch dead bodies, cut their hair, eat meat, etc. to show devotion to God and set themselves apart in their service to God. This has nothing to do with modern Nazism.

There is a lot of danger if you start comparing words like this in that you might make enemies of innocent people while the real culprits are left unchallenged. Stick to hard and fast connections rather than playing around with word games.

for Hobbit - Wed, 06/04/2008 - 19:58 Thanks Khomar for that information. I found this on Jordan Maxwell's site under the Heading: Have you ever wondered?
Questions by Jordan Maxwell

On the surface, it seem pretty plausible that NASA could have been derived from Nazi. There is no dispute that Dr. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi working for NASA, and perhaps having both a Nazi working for NASA and the word Nazi resembling the word NASA is all coincidental, NOT calculated. Does anyone here know for sure or given it much thought?

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