Hidden Places

for stick - Thu, 06/26/2008 - 21:50
I was going to put this in general but I think it belongs here.

The first time I was exposed to this concept was through this website:
http://www.usavsus.info/

Does anyone here have any further info on this whole thing. To me after reading hte entire USA vs. US website the whole way the world works started to really make sense.

I would like people's input on these concepts, and for anyone who has not been exposed to this information would you please check it out and let me know what you think.

for Hobbit - Fri, 06/27/2008 - 23:34 Stick, This video supports the claim that the US is a corporation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549#53m30s

This segment is about 22 mins.

Also on this thread... http://forums.libertylove.org/?q=node/151

for stick - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 00:34
That was very interesting, I'll be taking a journey through the rest of that thread probably on Monday or Tuesday when I am off of work, as long as I get my trellises made for my little garden on Sunday

for Hobbit - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 00:59
Definitely worth watching all 2hrs and 23min worth, if you can tolerate her voice for that long. There are a couple segments where someone else takes over for a while. Definitely gets you rethinking about what you have been conditioned to be believe as truth.

After viewing Zeitgeist and this movie: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=449294564876413449 , before I heard it anywhere else, started questioning whether we won the revolution or were allowed to win for a much greater purpose.

for stick - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:05 I will probably watch the whole thing when I get a chance and I have seen both Zeitgeist and the Capitalist Conspiracy.

So you have about the same take on this as I do. That sucks, I was hoping this was some kind of disinfo. Knowing that I toil away as a corporate involuntary servant kinda pisses me off. If this is true though, at least we can have another starting point for regaining our rights and liberty. To paraphrase Devon, it's not the vehicle it's the destination.

for Hobbit - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:35
To put things into prospective, I made a comment on one of these Threads about my thoughts while visiting Rome, Greece, Turkey and Spain. In Palma Spain, there is a HUGE church that took over 50 years at least, maybe over a hundred to complete. I started questioning how does that happen where a project that was started by one generation gets completed two generations later? If the President or the Governor has a project left unfinished when they leave office, chances are it is a DEAD.

Looking back at History and seeing where we are now today, Zeitgeist just makes sense. In fact the movie just reaffirmed what I have been suspecting on my own for quite a few years but never mentioned a word about it until recently. And seeing those photo's again of the towers, the same photo's I have seen on that very day, with the beams CUT at a 45....I have both strong mechanical background and a electronics background...no way a plane could do that. Even Professors who dispute the MOLTEN METAL.... THE experts on Physics and Science.....Nobody wants to hear from the EXPERTS whose story does not fit the scenario that was sold to the American people so that they would be willing to give up their Liberties for Temporary safety. That got me thinking, if forces within or behind the scenes of our government pulled this off, then how does taking our right to own guns protect US from that? YES I AM AFRAID....WE ARE FIGHTING THE WRONG ENEMY. But with FF's Holographic plan, there is hope. May the Force of Freedom be with you!

for Crickett - Fri, 06/27/2008 - 03:42 Well, it is 2:30 am and I have never been exposed to this, and got through only the first three minutes when my brain could not take anymore. First it kept screaming, oh Yeah? Then what was the American Revolution?? Then it started freaking out totally when he talked about our Constitution being nothing more than some sort of paper to accept a bankruptcy..HUH? I shut it off. It is too late for me to curl my mind around anything but a pillow, I think. But know this. I do not like it, and it is unthinkable..at least now

for stick - Fri, 06/27/2008 - 23:12 Near the end he starts explaining it in terms of how the UK came about through bankruptcy as well. It was England, then Britain, then Great Britain, then the United Kingdom...each new name is a new corporation that had to be established due to bankruptcy. It's very interesting and so is the USA vs. US page, and like I said if this is real it makes the actions and interactions of countries make so much more sense.

This is why I shared this because I want to know if anyone else knows about this or is up to debunking it.

for Devon_Saunders - Fri, 06/27/2008 - 23:15 I'm not up to debunking it at all.. I've tried twice in the last two years and it just ground me down to nothing.

I can't disprove it.

It is actually a very good worldview, as you pointed out.

Live life to its fullest... with open arms, an open heart and most importantly, an open mind...

for stick - Fri, 06/27/2008 - 23:23 dammit!

By the way if you watched it, how do you like knowing that the new name of our country under our current bankruptcy might be Homeland Security? That's funny shit because everything you hear nowadays involves the words Homeland Security and laws are enacted UNDER Homeland Security now as well.

And as we have all been taught, the President acts like the CEO of a large corporation.....how many times have we all heard this one?

for Crickett - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 00:51 That's it..I ain't watching it. There are many reasons, starting with the fact that I can't stand looking at that guy. I dislike him immediately. I think he is an ugly thing to look at. I do not like his accent. He is a foreigner that could never understand supporting what we truly support, I am sure. I do not like what he says. It may be true but it is too horrific for me to listen to. Kind of reminds me of the time a Jehovah's Witness came to my door. At the time, I was having the most incredible meditation. Like in the Bible, my entire body filled up with brilliant light--just flooded my body with love--and there was a knock at the door. I went to the door as a Saint. I was enlightened to the max. She started to speak all this rhetoric, and I told her that to me, she sounded like she was in the second grade. I said it sweetly, but I had to say it. (I am one of those VERY blunt and honest Aries). Then she began talking about the Devil. She asked me if I ever thought about the Devil, like I needed to. I told her, "You think about the Devil. I will only think of God. Where you think, you go." Then I closed the door.
I ain't going with this one, either. If they can't prove 9/11, and the whole system can not find ONE man (Bin Ladin) they can not prove any of this Corporate shit, and hold us to it.
No matter what any foreigner thinks, we DO run this country if we take the responsibility. We can choose to ignore any bullshit we want. We can vote in people just like us. We will prevail. Nope.. won't watch the rest.

for stick - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:00 actually, that is exactly why you should watch it. At the very very end he explains that the collateral put up on the bankruptcy that lasted through 1929-1999 was the American people. Once that bankruptcy ended the people were officially emancipated from the debt slavery and we had the right to regain our freedom and our country. I'm not going to say OMG YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS, it is obviously your decision but you would like the ending....just fast forward if you don't want the history lesson or don't watch it it's your decision, I'm just throwing this out there in my attempt to try to understand as much about everything that I can and share it with others.

Oh and Bin Laden is dead, has been most likely since November or December of 2001. There are references to his death in foreign papers by Musharaf, Bhutto, the Saudi's, and his obituary even showed up in Arab papers. Doesn't matter though, 9/11 never ended up on his wrap sheet, the FBI did not have enough evidence to indict him and in fact immediately after 9/11 he released a tape stating he had no involvement in the operation.

You are right though, we will prevail as long as we are willing to do the leg work to open the door.

for Crickett - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:14 Yeah. I know he is dead, too. I saw Bhutto mention it in an offhanded manner like we all knew it. I almost fell out of my chair. Anyway, stick, I could never be a nurse or a hunter, and I just can't watch this. Please, though--if there is something I should do to keep this "emancipation" or whatever..I am trying to be part of the Revolution. Yet I am a Free person, never consented nor voted on such measures, and got emancipation before I was born..like in 1776 or somesuch. So screw it all and the horse it rode in on, unless I gotta do something. Then just tell me what it is...

for stick - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:20 The only way to be free in this country is to stop using the devices of the system. In my limited exploration of this topic the control mechanisms that I have found that you would have to give up are your SSN, drivers license, you have to file a lien against your birth certificate stating that you are no longer the corporate entity created by your BC. In doing all of this you have to understand why you are doing it so when trouble comes knocking, and it will, you understand how to defend yourself from their laws.

You have to basically remove yourself from the system and declare yourself the sovereign, but you have to know what you are doing and why, and if you do not you will end up digging yourself deeper into trouble. That is the information I have come across so far. It sounds like Devon and Hobbit have a better overall idea about this than I do.

for Devon_Saunders - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 00:02 I've kept up on this for some time... I've been tempted occasionally still to go through the legal process of becoming a citizen of the state.

I would have to lose my job to do it... and I can technically retire in 4 years, at 47.

2 months before December, 2012..lol.

So I'm dodging the idea for now.

Live life to its fullest... with open arms, an open heart and most importantly, an open mind...

for Crickett - Sat, 06/28/2008 - 01:18 Nah..sounds like you are living the American Dream..lol. Really. You know, of course, there is a damned good chance they will fire you in 3 and 1/2 years or so, in order not to pay you your full retirement tho, right?